Mormonism... now less peculiar than ever.
@mini miteThat axe your grinding is still dull...
Mightymite posted:=Pretty poor return on investing with the huge
budget that the PR department=has, Recruiting and retention rates tell the
full story on just how warm people=are to the organization,Nonetheless, it may have been precisely what the PR Department was aiming for.
They may have been completely willing to invest their efforts in order to get
this amount of success.
Vanka posted:=Good to see significant improvement in the perception
of non-believers. For too=long, people willing to admit that the Emperor
of the Universe is not wearing=any clothes have been unfairly condemned
and poorly treated.My guess is that the analog to the emperor's
clothes is the divine inspiration of the LDS Church. Why do you think that the
emperor has no clothes?
FYI, there are plenty of LDS Democrats in the US. And my Utah/LDS family (who
did NOT vote for trump) are so disgusted with the GOP they may never vote GOP
again-- singling out Muslims, attempts to gut the ACA and potentially
Soc.Security, rolling back environmental protections; blatant dishonesty from
the WH & the GOP Congress who tolerates it- and Chaffetz who claimed the
protesters at his Town Hall were "paid" and not his constituents-- that
LIE came from Trump-- and from racist birtherism to trump's comments about
Mexicans, mimicking a disabled reporter, the disgusting disrespect toward women
and immigration policies that divide families- I think its fair to say that my
Utah/LDS family (and many of my LDS friends) is fed up with the GOP and the
phony "religious" right. Maybe a broader poll needs to be done because
I don't see anyone in Nevada or California (or any of my friends strewn
about the country) warming up to the hypocrisy and oppressive views of the
"religious" right (who should start practicing what Jesus preached-
While these numbers are interesting I don't really care if people are fond
of LDS people or not.I don't live my life based upon what
others think of me.There are still plenty of mainstream religionist
that say whatever bad thing they can about LDS.It is nothing new.
Romney was portrayed as the whits white guy to run for president. LDS are
portrayed as not Christian or not Christian enough or a bunch of wacky
things.Read the book "Religion of a different color" by W.
Paul Reeves. There's plenty of evidence that Mormons are very often
Caravan writes "Let's say the same thing another way.....Democrats
today do NOT like Mormons"Except, it is not the huge disparity
that you would like it to be. So, you really are not making your desired
point.From the article - Republicans gave Mormons a rating of 57,
Democrats gave them a 52. Your desired "correlation" is
weak at best. From the article"For participants aligning
with the Democrats, Mormons remained the lowest-ranked religious group, moving
from a 44 rating in 2014 to a current 52.As for the ratings from the
Republican-aligned participants, Mormons were at the middle of the religious
pack with a rating of 57."
Pretty poor return on investing with the huge budget that the PR department has,
Recruiting and retention rates tell the full story on just how warm people are
to the organization,
Article quote: "And the "warmest feelings" for Mormons came from
survey participants who were in older age groups, had higher levels of education
and either were affiliated with or leaned towards the Republican Party."Older groups: age tends to bring wisdomHigher levels of
education: knowledge is power. Or put another way, ignorance is NOT bliss.Affiliated with/lean towards Republican party: Let's say the same
thing another way.....Democrats today do NOT like Mormons. Why? Because
today's typical Democrat has 'morals' that are in opposition to
Mormonism: acceptance of homosexual behavior, sexual activity behavior marriage,
abortion on demand, removing God from our government and our controlling
documents, legalization of many harmful drugs, refusal of acceptance of
authority, refusal of acceptance of personal behavior, etc. Now, there will be
LDS members who say they belong to the Democrat party and be offended by my
statement, but the truth of the matter is that the current protestors / flag
burners / anarchists claim affiliation with the Democrats. You don't see
Republicans doing this.
Just shows any poll results depends on who you poll. I would say by
every indication and 'public square' estimation I know, religion has
been slandered and mocked and ridiculed and disparaged exceedingly more more
more, not 'warmed to'.Wonder who they were possibly
polling to get this result?
Good to see significant improvement in the perception of non-believers. For too
long, people willing to admit that the Emperor of the Universe is not wearing
any clothes have been unfairly condemned and poorly treated.
Positive reactions to organized religion is dwindling quite a bit among the
young (18-29) and one has to go to 50+ year olds to get a sub 50% number for
atheists.Not a good sign for religion moving forward.It
would be easy to blame the young people, or Hollywood, or Democrats or (insert
here).In reality, organized religion might do well to look at why
the disconnect is happening.They are certainly not connecting with the
young. Could it be that it always involves Power, Money and Control?
We're third from the bottom, just above atheists and Muslims, and
we're supposed to be elated? Considering all the effort and
money we put into PR, highly visible missionary work to spread the Good News,
and charitable efforts, I don't see this as a cheery study in the least.
For the POTUS job, I'd give it another 20 years.
Whether you voted for Trump or not, our current president makes Mr. Romney look
very good every day that passes. And being normal is becoming very popular. I
am happy that Mr. Trump humbles the elite in our country (media and
universities---which we have worshiped far too long), and I like a simple
approach to government. Romney is a winner every day going forward.
@cutedog Yes, the DN seems to have moved more towards the middle in its
stances, which is a noticeable shift from previous years. I have seen a
difference in the tone of the comments, too. Personally I feel that there are
those on the left who purposely come here to agitate and make comments like
"Reality is most Americans think Trump is doing a poor job" and
"Trump is the most mean spirited President in history." These are
opinions that are meant to incite anger, the first statement being untrue or at
least unproven and the second being naive as it is difficult to compare eras and
there have certainly been some unpopular presidents in the past.
@Cute Dog,Hostility towards the Church and Trump are not
synonymous.With the amazing attacks by Trump on the media is it any
wonder people are going to the media to communicate their concerns? If you want balanced comments then DN is the place to go. If you want
pro-Trump stuff then try Breitbart. Reality is most Americans think Trump is
doing a poor job and so most comments would not be supportive if the man who the
Electoral College selected as President.
Feelings won't get warmer. If we truly represent Christ, we will be hated
more and more for it. The fight hasn't changed. One was perfect. Perfect
in love and with a perfect message, and they crucified Him for it. Always will
be good vs evil. So, if we stand for Christ... really stand for Him and not a
recreated version of Him - then we'll be hated. Bring it on!
"Ratings given to those of the Mormon faith increased from 48 overall in
2014 to 54 currently.""For participants aligning with the
Democrats, Mormons remained the lowest-ranked religious group, moving from a 44
rating in 2014 to a current 52."Kind of surprising that
Democrats were pretty close to the overall rating. I think that's actually
a good sign, it shows people can separate politics they disagree with from the
rest of the faith that they may still respect even in disagreeing. Granted that
was the lowest-ranked group for Democrats so maybe it's not worth much.The volatility of some of this would be interesting (which ones get a
higher or lower fraction of extremely high or low scores).
I have enjoyed the comment section in the Deseret News, however the comments
are becoming increasingly hostile toward the LDS church and President Trump.I have wondered if it's because of all the positive stories about
the anti-Trump marches and anti-Trump articles.There is enough
negativity in another local paper. It seems now it has spilled over.
Mormons are a religious minority in the US at about 2% of the population. Most
people don't know much about us. I'd say the warming trend is a trend
towards religious tolerance in general.
I was tempted ask why this matters. However, it is interesting that
most Americans cannot distinguish between how the various religions and
religious sects differ in what they teach about American values, and how we
should treat our fellowman. (Although, Evangelical Christians may be in serious
need of introspection.)The fact that Mormons are pretty much lumped
together with other religions in the average American's mind means either
most Americans think they don't know any Mormons, or that Mormons are not
treating others the way we believe Jesus taught us to. Perhaps it's a
combination of both. As a Mormon, I need to do a little better.
Uh, that's certainly looking for the Mormon silver lining. Considering that
Mormons are just barely ahead of Atheists and Muslims, I would venture to say
that Mormons are not well like at all. This does not surprise me nor do I think
it is a bad thing. Mormons are a peculiar people and I believe the future will
bring only widen the divide between Mormons and other faith groups as the LDS
Church isn't going to back down on its stance on gay marriage and other
unpopular social beliefs.
@OneWifeOnly"I'm sure your readers will correct me if I am not
correct."Considering the chart accompanying the article... you
are not correct. Views of Muslims also went up.
The heading for this article perhaps would be more honest if it said:
'Americans' feelings toward Christian religious groups are getting
warmer.It seems to me that our country is quite hostile toward at
least one particular world faith that descended from Abraham. I'm sure your readers will correct me if I am not correct.
Was this poll taken before or after most Mormons voted for Trump?
I don't see this as positive at all. The way I read it, Muslims moved up
more than Mormons in the last three years. The press on Muslims has been mostly
unfavorable. It's odd that every religion went up. How can that
Lots of people are regretting the lies and negative media against Mormons now
that Trump is President and not Mitt Romney.Regret is a very
One great thing Trump is doing. Unifying the country. The one thing we can all
agree in is that Trump is the most mean spirited President in history. And yes,
as much as I hate to admit it, he is thereby bringing us all together.